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Hello welcome to the media club in your house Matt Deakin in the club today the observatory is done and now becomes part of the Charlotte a bit of pressure is here to what happens next BBC Radio faces push back from Ofcom over.

It's DAB expansion plans and Caroline Frost Ponders what we have to look 40-in TV in 2025 from the British journalism awards be continued.

Do you want to sing a TV and in the media quiz with brush up those CDs that's all coming up in the media club before we get into the big stories this week at the ready x and deadline amongst others who would you pick to be new member of the m club this week? Hello well, I'm hoping that you will be able to tell me who the person is or if we can do a call out because I really feel like the finger needs to come down and plug.

Person from obscurity and reward them it is whoever at the BBC had the foresight six months ago to book Chris McCausland to enter Strictly Come Dancing because we know that strictly was somewhat flagging.

It was not on.

It's tippy toes on the dance floor.

It was on its feet it was crawling across the Dancefloor hoping that the bunch of bad stories were go away and I said at the time what this means is some good stories to come with the new series.

It's the 20th years all important one of the BBC's biggest flagship brands.

I mean to mention in despatches Pete Wicks and PVC trousers.

If one person save strictly was Chris Mickelson so I would like to nominate whoever that the two flags and prayers unrewarded person in the BBC production team with listeners, don't so much but the Casting of shows and reality shows how intentionally is for the latest absolutely key it is.

Fly or fall by those booking decisions and by The Mix and what we saw this year.

I mean I die when too long did the press for strictly as illustrated give me the series and you could tell they have been paper bag how you feeling good thing is it's remember it's entertainment.

Yes, so you did see it though.

The competitiveness was there was a wonderful dancing by the other end of the leaderboard.

We had some great entertainers so whatever they did to mix it up this year.

It was the right ok booking team you can come and join and Charlotte from hello.

How are you? Are you do like Aaron's the club this week to mention a few kind of really great women journal ok this Christmas disappointments made in the past week, so forth has is getting its first female CEO in its history Sherry Philip she's being chief revenue officer.

She's spoken.

It's environments and

He's really brilliant and I think Forbes are doing kind of really interesting things to become sustainable as all news media businesses that need to be doing right now the mirror have a pointed Lizzy Buchan school editor.

She has been doing interim, but she's obviously proved herself and I think it's hopefully she'll you know kind of follow in the footsteps of he did amazing things at the mirror over to you now really great to keep a kind of female political editor there and then I know we're going to mention more but just because it fits with the Segway the observers next Lucy rock will be looking after its print edition once it's at tortoise news this week deals been done.

It's been acquired by James Harding tortoise me you talked a lot about on the show that we can expect the first edition in the spring with.

Rocker editing that what else do we know about what's going on? There is still kind of questions about who are the investors.

Are we know a couple kind of philanthropic and think tanks type 5 someone who has invested in like park for example, but he was still asking questions about with the news that the deals being confirmed stuff have been allowed to start applying for voluntary redundancy if they don't want to move to tortoise another detail is even once they've moved over they've agreed it.

So that they'll still be able to apply for internal guardian rolls and kind of get out in 18 months of leaving so obviously done all of that but keep staff you are still really not happy and didn't like the way that the process was done.

You know especially the fact that.

Was initially agreed by the Scott Trust while they were undertaking their first strike but the fact that they've ended as 48-hour strike even though it was pretty much nailed on at that point just shows the feeling but we're starting to get a favour.

What is actually look like in terms of you know the paywall daily digital with you know art business all of this still as well.

You know that that kind of core print edition say it's nice that they're pretty you know you would think maybe that would be an easy low-cost saving immediately but no is built around keeping The Apprentice tonight.

Can you tell me why those Observer journalists are so unhappy about the prospect of working for tortoise partly.

It's just that other people have expressed an interest in.

Buy moves are unhappy process so the fact that it's a relatively new start-up still where is obviously under the Guardian Media Group banner.

They've had a lot of job security like literally an agreement for no compulsory redundancies things like that and I think they feel like their job security is going to go down the pan which is why they were done a lot of those agreements and then they're like well.

I can a lot of this happened at that you know the service not financially sustainable how it is and they're like well.

I can't we have done some of this with we're in a really great position.

You know we've got the Scott Trust endowment fund we had such an opportunity and it's it's yes, it's got these investors that you know some of them still a mystery but they do have invested but compared to the endowment fund it's much smaller and it's you know still lost maker.

From the most recent accounts we know and turnovers much smaller so it's kind of largely about all of that security and feeling whether it's a good sustainable business talking some of the journalist at the beginning they felt that they could probably derail this and it's all happened much quicker than a lot of people kingsplace.

Thought you didn't have further issues before we get to the spring or do you think deal is done? There will be a tortoise Observer launcher matter what if I had to that.

Yeah, it's happening now.

What they do sort of the owl Ogmore print edition of the the paper vs.

The digital side of it.

It's own digital home to The Guardian

Directly across tabloid and broadsheet sometimes the most competitive gun fights for stories are between the weakly and the weekend titles.

I mean I guess this is a bigger division of church and state.

It's definitely on settings into doing what I was saying about them being so unhappy about the prospect of going somewhere with presumably deep deep pockets.

Would it be like somebody being get the BBC and then been told the apple wanted to skip them up.

I'm sure lots of people wouldn't mind that turned up so I mean probably more but obviously that the Guardian has been pretty fleet of foot with the deal it has but I have to say I've never seen the word Observer used so much as in the last fortnight.

So if what are lacking is publicity and heightened scrutiny and interest suddenly they've got everything they could wish for the weekend edition against.

Server on a Sunday thought about that.

It's ruled out in the in the agreement.

I am a really strong Saturday edition.

I'm in the garden.

Could do that be better than they would have to expand it too much.

Have a good Saturday the shin.

So you could just like you read and then it's not too much more competition.

I would say then the Saturday edition already is because that was one of the things that was kind of suggested like that.

Keep the Observer going on the the current ownership to do it as kind of this this whole weekend Edition but no, but yeah, I think things on the table ok, what is news Grace Dent is to replace Gregg Wallace on new episodes of Celebrity MasterChef the BBC's announced Caroline broadcasters and making plans.

Wallis free future scheduling issues to resolve output we must spare a thought for the not just the commissioning people who had to cut dice and slice all of those episodes just a bit last series.

They are crawling to the end of this series of mean he's turning up but very much in the background the Christmas specials even in the kitchen anymore that they've been put straight in the bin and then of course as you say Grace Dent is coming along I mean the BBC will be crossing everything for a seamless transition because it's such an important choice.

I think she's obviously they profiles.

I think being a woman was perhaps freaky to one of the decision-making processes certainly she's done a striptease the Guardian food critic.

She's an author she's been on the show many many times.

I think if anybody was going to pass the ball and it to continue very much in the direction of travel it would be Grace Dent but very interesting I mean vs those poor.

Are people the iPlayer is suddenly like a bare cupboard after Christmas with with no Gregg Wallace in it you know no Jay blades.

No no who Edwards no Jermaine jenas.

I mean it does become place of will the last male presenter.

Please turn off the light at all bad.

Is it but the new civilian MasterChef is wrapping feeling this week? I mean if you've been in there.

Is there any of these theories is a contestant must be thinking all my big chances.

Maybe evaporated shows are built on the strength or as we weaknesses of one or two people but of course.

It's an enormous ecosystem that they presided over and this is why it's to me.

It's so mortifying because you do get somebody like it's not just as he's not alone.

We know the catalogue is now littered with people who have proven to have free to play on all channels.

Not just the BBC and the only thing they have to do when you've got high.

Researchers produces journalist or doing the hard yard for doing the coffee ordering the taxi doing research prepping the guests all these people have paid sometimes 10 times the amount of those hard-working anonymous people next to them is to be presentable and mean able to contact with audiences that being paid to have great personalities and good characters and some of them can't even manage that and I just think the BBC Muslim from this we know that Tim Davie has shuffled off the word Talent I mean often after many many horses have bolted however.

He has done is nothing as a recognition that the perhaps we don't know what causes it do these people start out as divas with pretensions.

What does the act of having too much attention too much love in the makeup room turn them into the monsters.

We don't know but we can control is not ridiculous amount of licence fee payers money so that at least we know if that is the problem we can stand that flow at birth is the biggest you so hard to establish a TV show.

The M1 doubles down on bankable telling it makes them very aware of their currency for sure and especially when you have some like Gregg Wallace who is reaching audiences the other presenters can't read it and then he has been identified as having the X Factor with different parts of the audience.

We were traditionally the BBC's always told his middle cars produce TV for middle-class audiences and Gregg Wallace is one of the few people that cut through that hence his power his status, but yes, it's a tough one.

I mean I think they should just learn from the diamond.

Just can't stop the TV it doesn't want to be a bit of TV presenter and getting recruit them.

Ok, just recording some news that the BBC have to pause their roll out of my radio stations on DAB at West Ofcom launches a 6-month investigation so as a bit of a recap BBC launch radio anthems Radio 3 and wind on BBC sounds.

2 lunchtime on the on a DAB digital radio at Abdi BBC2 Radio to spin off to that as well commercial radio not very happy about ready to also not happy back spending 5 Live text to talkSPORT particularly grumpy about that.

I mean the wind commercial radio keep the BBC in the box is very similar to M kind of that argument between commercial local news organisations on the BBC as well, but so that strikes me but I mean if you know what's your take 388 really you're saying it's not good news for the BBC this through through a sort of 6-month.

Wait to read between the lines of come and sort out a couple of times when I really sure about some of these particularly the two and five live stuff.

I didn't even have an opportunity to sort of rest the radio.

Banoffee they really want it and they might have got through all the other stuff of existential question though of whether you upload the BBC's huge reach graft success in one area of that huge corporation or whether you say, oh, it's now to successful in that area so it kind of it gets to a point.

It's not one of those coin machines where it's not allowed to tip over because we saw things like the website didn't food website Everything gets stymied as soon as it gets to a point so when it doesn't do well with programs and ratings for we say why should we play I Like It does do something spectacularly.

Well, they all know that's bad also the government ask the BBC to a certain things so one of things Ofcom already talked to BBC and the radio team about is looking at audiences mercy 2DS the Gregg Wallace

and more diverse audiences and one of these are identified with some of these channels is there are a bit more commercial like but there's actually because those demographic like what radio does so it's not like we can't keep doing very high-end public service to reach that audience so we need to change our actor little bit so you feel kind of bad though the other bit is and I took some people the BBC day on some of jealous of what commercial radios the chief with all its spin-offs a lot of success and ratings have gone very much in in Commercial Road favour and a bit of professional jealousy for everybody franchises and suddenly every breakfast commercial station across the land was suddenly being hosted by Amanda Holden

Radio battle is ever been lost by the BBC in the different areas over the fence a little bit BBC local radio has a lot of content in now as well and this great when BBC works.

They local radio people come from the news division and the radio people come from the audio Radio today and maybe is much discussion as you would expect between them and so investing in all these greatly national spin-offs cutting the local talent may well be the thing to do but it's not great comms is it Charlotte casters newspapers whatever that we talked about the BBC's the one that needs to get the common throughout the local newspapers battle with the BBC website.

Democracy scheme which funds or other content on Commercial newspapers, so it's an odd and on merry-go-round combination of activities and a couple weeks ago basically said that the BBC could be causing a hindrance or orchid and future cause a hindrance and it is a headwind for commercial local news websites because of the stuff it's been doing well.

It's be moving away from local radio towards.

It's online.

They say as a similar kind of dynamic and you know publishers like reaching and newsquest was so happy about the fact that they said this is kind of the they've been years have been saying you know the BBC's on our turf and it's making our life hard, and is this is this within its remit and you know it.

Go all the way in say yeah, you're completely right, but it's kind of giving a hint that it's much more open to that way of looking at it so this year of come next year is coming up all this BBC activity regarded them as having taken off the Ball but maybe gone quite car maybe the Tory government think they're going to be a big part of the story 2025 more on that in a b + and more media news will see you in a sec hello Media club, listen is Patrick hear from podcast Discovery the podcast marketing company where this week we've been thinking about the three things every single podcast you should be asking themselves.

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Will get you from problem solution as quickly as possible Direct Line we are on it residential property walkabout Christmas the news stories occupies space rent free in media clubs members heads a King Charles has given CBeebies to Ted sarandos and Shonda Rhimes for their contribution to the creative industry the ceremony on Sunday praising Netflix for employing 30000 British cast and crew currently it more than 100 Productions active in the UK government has issued a consultation on AI and how is trained on copyrighted material it wants an exception to copyright law for AI training while I'm right holders to opt-out or reserve the option to charge the privilege the deadline for submissions is 25th of February Montgomery's company national world has been taken over by Media concierge the new owners of the Yorkshire post and The Scotsman have said.

No plans for material job reductions in editorial or production at they some duplicate backroom staff positions will go Charlotte what do we know about media concierge? We haven't covered them allowed before be honest.

They have some local newspapers in Ireland for example the Donegal democrat and the Limerick what's alliteration business and they were one of National World original backers when David Montgomery can have bought the previous jpi Media titles of sense kind of Harry seemingly had a fall out with him and then and that's all of this is unfolded but I think it's similar to the Observer this is what happened quite quickly quickly, but as you say.

The right initial noises regarding what they want in terms of what the company should do David Montgomery had tried to make it slightly more national union launched a website called national as well as the existing local ones but Media concierge and it's boss Malcolm Denmark and saying we think the the local carers what support so that would be interesting to see what they do this week.

It was the British journalism awards when you partying there sort of big night of the year and usually what happens if after we've given out of you or do I have to chase down some of the winners for interview? So you know I can't really hear our clocks are not exactly and yes, so need to provide of the year was Channel 4 news.

It's quite unusual.

What Ward's are to be honest because most journalism awards are kind of newspapers or broadcasters in this one's or online this one's everything and so Channel 4 news that big one for candidates reporting from Gaza work with Palestinian German stuff to do in the post office.

It's undercover investigation on the reform pain in Clacton stuff like that the sun took the investigation and scoop awards for its huw Edwards stuff even though it obviously started last year.

They kind of day distillery done this year in so it kind of sometimes when it falls into the following.

Are you good at accept? It was longer term things campaign of the Year went to computer weekly for the Post Office stuff and obviously that's been a really long running think they've been reading on and the other big.

Look interesting of the early infected blood scandal helped Caroline Wheeler of the Sunday Times get journalist of the Year done the stuff as well, but is in particular recognition her long long-term work for the Sunday Times and all the newspapers on helping that enquiry happening in the conversation end up getting awarded also this week.

I press Gazette has done a thing you covered a lot of you put up a registration wall.

Yes, it's happening but it had so many talk about it and I thought you can't deny.

You know especially when you're targeting a particular industry particular specialism.

There are people that will hopefully pay for eventually that's not a secret we said announcement unit at some point we hope to introduce more discharge, but you know where can easily people in.

Where we're talking openly about how some of our revenue comes from sponsorships and it helps us a lot if we know who are readers are and that's as you play something with reporting so much if you know who your your most loyal and core uses I'm particular there's just a lot more you can do with them both in terms of selling them grey reporting and yeah the commercial side of it as well went on yeah, you can't you like I can can't do any longer.

Obviously we should be doing this and we literally had a quite high senior people in the media say yeah I pay for Christmas then so you know and you me and you slowly start to work out that enough people.

Hopefully feel that way and Caroline your day job at the radio Times very much podcast focused.

Colm old school new school really good fun with recently and it's got some different segments.

I mean I think there's a recognition the radio superpowers.

It's listings is choices.

It's curation presentation of all things TV and radio, so that is very much in the mix, but there's also a readers letter because the nose bag is still overflowing as well very cool, so I want to celebrate that and I pluck the best and we have all sorts.

I love the reasons letter and my favourite part of the podcast the second favourite is something recording frostbite.

Would you believe it when I have my my say on something is like guys die in the week's TV and radio news TV what's coming up in 2025.

What have you got your eye on or what which we have our no particular order?

So we have used a Harlan Coben on Netflix doing what he now does best.

I mean this man.

Obviously has already proved himself in One media selling millions and millions of books Netflix scooter mop and now he's Harlan coben's dot.dot and we saw that to Great effect last New Year's Day it's obviously that binge moment everyone had enough of the collective viewing experience although it is but clearly used a is 14-in the bedroom on your phone on your iPad enough of the family ready.

I'm going to watch 8 episodes in last year's case it was for me once which year did the numbers and this year.

They're hoping that he will pull off the same magic trick with something called missing you which is yes inspired by John whaites pop rock track is there a lovely kitchen it like always a lovely kitchen.

Yes, there's a love affair I mean.

He's always what he does so successful.

NOW TV is that he's got that sort of dickensian knack of keeping us tuning in just for one more just turn that page in the books click on the next one on the strimmer.

You also has that emotional belly at the heart of all of his stories which I think is what makes them so special.

I mean I'm in the Norman's fan, and he's a lovely man as well add to list for that one that we have something to me.

This is a bit need to tell me what you think this is James Graham of course political dramatist of this era.

He's turned his attention to a 1989 interview between Brian Walden of weekend world and Margaret Thatcher lighting duties Steve Coogan playing Brian Walden and Harriet Walter sort of channelling a bit of succession and a bit of other imperious madams as Margaret Thatcher and

It's just it's their relationship.

They started their friends.

She thought she had her corner which you probably did for a long time but then as we talked about when people term dates and come a1989 and she thought she was in safe hands with this.

What she had was the sort of Rescue peace and it turned out not to be the case so it's quite a contained.

You know there's not much action no car chases play.

I want to celebrate the return at last Bergerac oh, yeah, it's back the reboot now.

There is always talk of turning Bergerac into Mrs Bergerac that has instead.

We've got a brand new Bergerac Damien Maloney stepping into Bergerac shoes on the Island of Jersey Majorca

Sadly, I hope there's what they did with vandervault just have a sort of little refrain for the old ones you know for us first oldest uni in but it's also Charlie Hungerford if you remember him Terence Alexander Charlie is now a woman so I don't know how to deal with the cigar in the gentlemen's club played by Zoe Wanamaker so I think they're going to give it a good crack and obviously the purists will be watching very closely.

I'm going to be broadcast you and Drama yes, so it's quite a big commission commission but I think this is why as with so many other examples were seeing if in doubt grab a bit of very intellectual property and then give it some 2024 20252.

Yeah, I think I think you're probably go quite good cast Charlotte what's been your TV heavier when you get home.

I'll tell you my favourite switch does show me as a bit of a rom-com lover one I thought the one day adaptation of David Nicholls books.

Done so well and absolutely loved it from the soundtrack to the cost everything and then nobody wants to see Adam Brody Kristen Bell thing on Netflix recently another can run come by but really fun he went viral after this thing that you know but I must I think that is a really really really rare case of me watching all of it and one day.

I would do it again baby.

That's why I like you.

Just say what is a lot of spying going on at the moment.

I do love a bit of spy action the sea to start watching that us to CIA but set in London I'd like a bit of Us UK crossover, don't they?

Great hit for Netflix series 2 spin and gone again her background is it says it all comes from? I think the great surprise success of home and got this fresh interest in what was possible because they cannot belong to the John the carrier.

It was all a bit kind of cold war won't it? But there's definitely a new wave of it funky spies play time for the media quiz.

Let's see how much are tents you've been paying for the media news this week quiz entitled transferable skills the season 2 dust up the CV and think about new Horizon which mediabrands or is that your property is making me into a new medium or format best of three buzzing if you know the answer as a Charlotte you will say and Caroline you say let's play transferable skills a question number one which children's series is to have a full length feature spin-off.

Yes.

This is blue.

This is exciting because I don't want any TV thankfully, but I have great intelligent friends repair and they tell me that Blue Is the One Show that they are very happy to both their children in front of but also sit in front of themselves, and this has been a phenomenon.

This is a co-production and the BBC is going to be party miss the Australian Broadcasting Corporation could be part of this is a production company is gone from strength to strength.

It's one of Netflix's biggest biggest hits.

I think yes, so did America Disney Disney Big Brother 82 also news this week from The Creator joubran, charlatan.

He's been saying that he's off you can do the movie but he's not doing series 4 has been 3 series of bluey so far so in a typical like Daily Mail headline.

You was a shock to the jobroom is off.

They are really interesting to the a bit with the TV as they moved towards a movie by BBC Studios and Disney wish I guess I make a few quid for BBC as well.

It will be ok Chris number to which sitcom ensemble is to be a Zoo Radio breakfast show this is Gavin and Stacey yes over the Radio 2 Breakfast Show no this is interesting because obviously very balls off Scott Mills in shortly to slip into the chair but in the meantime.

This is I think absolute proof of just how many balls in one big comedy Christmas Day Basket the BBC are placing a lot of welly into the already been by father the biggest city of Christmas but they're not leaving any stone unturned to make sure Friday

In that BBC spaceship and Gavin and Stacey it's all about propelling everybody to 9 p.m.

Can I get Watch Gavin and Stacey on Christmas day or iPlayer catch up my husband's family and his the shoutout is like her favourite programme on a say since will be there.

There's no way we can't watch it from Roger Moore with love that's getting my number 3 or 10-years one here which comedian is the move from zoology to biology so play comedian who had a Netflix show British comedian heritage comedian, had some trouble with ab and

show me having trouble with.

Child a baby so this is real Atkinson is Netflix sequel to Man vs.

Bee is Man vs.

Baby.

Did you see I love you see Man vs.

Bee even aware of everything and that question the entire 80s and early 90s was just Mr primetime comedy just couldn't prove ale and with Blackadder and everything then he went to drivers cars and I think he's been quite quiet but like many other people he's come back via Netflix and I mean I'm gratify for him because he does present a unique offering in the entertainment ecosystem, when you think of Mr Bean I'm in China and I went to visit the terracotta Warriors and I was on the bus on the way back and you were thing that you would have escaped quite a lot of Western culture and I had except that there was a screen illness bus and there was Mr

He gets around non-verbal shows on Netflix on very much deploy and lots of market.

You don't have to pay local money.

Do you know he has the audio describe nobody has to do first subtitles overdubbing any of that you just turn up with the original taken off you go well.

Thanks, Caroline winner at a prize.

You get to turn the club into a special non-verbal show that we can thank you across the world come back up with what you're doing Charlotte jet.co.uk and LinkedIn and blue skies.

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